I’d Rather Be Shot

It’s inevitable: When I post a story about hunting, we get some blowback. The complaints and accusations are always filled with logical fallacies and outright ignorance.

My new favorite is the, “I hate trophy hunters” crowd. I won’t do a deep dive on economics, conservation and sustainment that hunting provides. I have addressed that at length elsewhere. So let’s look at he logical fallacy of the anti-trophy-hunters.

Somehow they are OK with hunting and shooting animals as long as I, “eat the meat”. But they want me to throw away and waste the skull, hide and rack? Seriously? That right there just shows how ignorant the anti-hunters are.

One, I don’t know of any game animal that isn’t eaten. Even if they end up giving the meat away to fellow hunters and soup kitchens. Two, I don’t know where all these trophy hunters live that waste meat, because every place I’ve hunted doesn’t even allow such activity by law. And three, the only animal I have ever seen hunted and not eaten is coyotes.

And guess which animal the anti-hunter crowd always calls the authorities over “to shoot” after fluffy is snatched off their porch? Coyotes.

Wow. I would be embarrassed to be so urbane and ignorant that I don’t even understand the ecology of my own backyard. Every bird you see, every chipmunk that runs, every squirrel that climbs in your backyard is hunting. And being hunted.

Now for the photo posted above. Let’s discuss ethics. What is the best end of life outcome for the animal pictured here? To starve and dehydrate to death stuck in a rock? Literally be eaten alive from behind by a pack of coyotes when you’re old and sick? Or be shot by a hunter.

I’d rather be shot.

 

 
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Marky Mark

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Areas of focus: Defense and National Security, Modern Light Weapons, Analysis of the Geo-political / Military Relationship in the Context of Strategic Goals.
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  • Mikial

    This is the essence of the difference between environmentalists and conservationists. Environmentalists sit back and condemn any one who doesn’t agree with them about wildlife based on very non-scientific misunderstandings of what any given ecosystem. Conservationists understand the dynamics of the ecosystem and the need to maintain a balance of wildlife and the ability of the land to sustain them.

    • That’s an astute observation.

      Marky

      • Mikial

        Thank you. It’s been a long time issue with me.

  • ChangeTheChange

    I’ve heard horror stories of hunters taking deer only for the teeth and rack. When I say heard it was from someone else that was directly in the hunting party. I don’t recall what their response was to the people that did the deed but there are people that do it. This is what I think of when I think of “trophy hunters”. I believe there are very few of these type of people but they exist and I’m not sure how they should be dealt with. I agree with you though, that picture shows a truly horrible way to die.

    • Then you are dead wrong and are actually making things worse. Your definition of trophy hunters is way off base.

      It’s akin to TV reporters calling every AR-15 a machine gun.

      Marky

    • Mikial

      Why is it a horror story? Sincerely, I don’t understand the mindset that condemns people for legally taking an animal that is part of a population that is reproducing beyond the capability of the ecosystem to sustain their numbers.

      • ChangeTheChange

        I think my post has been understood. The story was about someone who merely took the teeth and rack then left the remains. It is a horror to kill an animal for sport and do nothing with it other than take a trophy, leaving the rest behind as waste. These are the exact same type of people you called “morons poaching endangered rhinos for their horns or elephants for their ivory.” Why do you feel it is okay to do with one species of animal (deer) but not the other (rhinos/elephants)? Merely because of the quantity of these animals being taken? So if these poaches eased up a bit to let the species thrive, while still wasting the majority of the remains, it’d be okay? Leaving behind the carcass causes the coyotes and other local scavenger species to excessively thrive, off-balancing the local habitat. I’m not saying it’s wrong to keep a trophy but if you are just going out to take the rack or ivory then leave the rest behind wasted that is what’s wrong. The waste.

        • Mikial

          People that poach rhinos and elephants are hunting threatened species illegally. People who buy a license and legally hunt a single trophy are hunting animals that are being culled to prevent overpopulation. Two very different things. The meat does not go to waste because there are any number of other wild animals who feast on the remains and the population isn’t threatened by that. Animals die naturally all the time. Have you ever actually hiked into the back country in a place like Grand Tetons, the Olympic Peninsula or even the Adirondacks of New York? Scavengers are not at all likely to overrun wild lands. Killing endangered or threatened animals through wholesale poaching is not doing the same thing at all.

  • Conner

    ‘A population that is reproducing beyond the capability of the ecosystem to sustain their numbers’. Well, finally. You have given me the words that I have struggled to find to explain hunting to my wife. As we have coffee this morning I have just repeated your comment to her and she actually responded with; Hmmm. Erika! Maybe now I don’t have to worry about being verbally abused (just a figure of speech in case any progressives read this and want to turn in my wife) while watching ‘The Nudge’ harvest many a back strap. As far as hunting for rack and teeth, I haven’t heard of that. My personal opinion on that is I don’t like it. If you can’t carry out the eatable remains and possibly feed someone human that’s hungry like uncle Ted does then don’t do it. I’m sure racks and teeth can be found at someone’s yard sale. That may even be a cheaper hunt. I understand that most hunters don’t hunt because they need the meat. The last time a friend went on a successful elk hunt I asked him what it cost him. He said something like, oh about $140 dollars a pound. So I get that. Animals that are healthy can and should hunt for themselves and don’t need humans leaving a rotten carcass to sustain them. Maybe I’ve gotten soft in my golden years. As a gunsmith and collector I haven’t hunted in years and I’m damn sure no environmentalist, but somehow it doesn’t seem right. I do remember that “rack hunting” is something that would never have been tolerated in my day, at least within the folks I knew and hunted with. I do appreciate that we can agree to disagree here. I may be totally wrong here but again, just my opinion. Oh and thanks again for offering the words that just might allow me to enjoy my hunting shows in peace!

    • Hi Connor, glad you stopped by. Good to see you. Let me start with the ending of your post: “Rack hunting”.

      Again…I still don’t know a place in the entire world where you are allowed to shoot an animal, pull the antlers off, and leave the rest. For example in Alaska, it’s called “waste”. And the DNR will hunt you down and skin you alive for doing it.

      The ONLY example I am aware of on planet earth where someone shoots and animal, whacks off horns, and leaves the rest are elephant and rhino poachers in Africa.

      Bottom line: The phrase of “trophy hunting” has been taken over by the left just like the word palestinian. In the past, a palestinian was a jew! An Arab was an Arab or a Jordanian.

      In today’s hunting world, the “trophy” is any non-etiable part of an animal that you choose to keep: Horns, skull, bones, hide, hooves, etc.

      Marky
      http://www.john1911.com
      “Shooting Guns & Having Fun”

      • Conner

        Hey Marky. I agree with you. I was responding to the horror story comment. I think not only the DNR would cause you some serious problems but some fellow hunters may get pissed too if they see this kind off waste which would for sure make all hunters look bad. I’m always around reading the cool stuff here but your site is growing so fast that it’s hard for me to get through everything I want to see. Especially hard for me to get away from the milsurp section. Always interesting but don’t always have time to comment. It’s certainly good to feel like your sitting around a fire bsing with the boys and that’s what your forum here does. It’s great to get involved in conversation where you don’t have to waste time reading comments with morons verbally abusing each other. Thanks for putting this together. Keep up the good work brother!