Fascists vs Communists — American Made Mosin

Editor’s note: We recently had a reader inquire if we could authenticate a Spanish Civil War Mosin Nagant rifle. Also knowns as a “Mexicanski”. Here is Freeze’s communication, printed with permission from the owner. —editor.

J.B from Indiana:
Freeze, I recently acquired a Spanish Civil War Mosin Nagant, a New England Westinghouse. Upon closer inspection, it has 6 US Surcharge stamps that I can see. I’ve been told this could be one of the ones that made it’s way through Mexico and later to Spain in 1936. I’m curious how to definitely prove or disprove this theory, and how many of these guns still exist? I’ve been told there are only a handful known to exist. Any help wound be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Freeze:
Send over come pics and please make sure to include all markings.

J.B. from Indiana:
Here is a picture of the complete rifle, receiver & the MP8 cartouche.  If you need anymore I can provide them.

Freeze:
OK, this is indeed a Spanish CW Mosin. The MP8 stamp is obviously a Spanish mark and that’s good. The home made cleaning rod and the wire sling swivels is also an indicator. The rough condition also fits. All in all a VERY NICE RARE example of a US made SCW Mosin M91.

The story is these were sold to Mexico by the US and then sent to Spain much like a lot of other rifles. There is no real proof of this but 1st hand accounts from US expats seem to confirm this. I could be wrong on the numbers (it’s been awhile since I have been active with Mosin collectors) but the last time these came up there were less than 50 known SCW rifles that made it back into the US. That number could be higher now but its still a rare bird.

This example is rough and I have seen better but just having one is HUGE prize to the Mosin collector. It’s one of those holes you hope to fill but know that you won’t. To the right collector it’s a pretty valuable rifle….Great score.

J.B. from Indiana:
Yeah! I gotta say I’m pretty stoked about this!!!  I never get lucky enough to find something like this.  All I was looking for was a Spanish Civil War Mosin; I wind up with a rare piece of history!!!
I’m more of a World War II collector, but since the Spanish Civil War was a dress rehearsal for World War II I kinda felt the need for one.

I really have no problem with you posting pictures on the blog.  Might be interesting seeing some of the conversations.

 

 

 

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Freezer Meat

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Freeze is our resident All-American hunter, shooter, gunsmith and military surplus collector. When he is not processing his own game or running the smoker, he focuses on Com-Bloc weapons and Black Powder Shooting.
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  • Ok. I will admit this so many of you won’t have to go first. I never heard of such a rifle. I was watching Freeze and JB discuss this and functionally lost for the first hour. The best part? Freeze knew what this rifle was off the top of his head.

    He’s really a great asset to the site and I wish he would post more often to the blog.

    Marky

  • Ed Crawford

    You could study/research Mosins for years upon years. I guess Freeze still has excellent recall. Well travelled rifle.

    • He has some pretty interesting stuff in his collection.

      Marky

      • Ed Crawford

        I bet he does. Great idea for another post if be is willing to share. I have quite a few including a Sig step barrel Finn M24 and a Sestroyetsk 1895 barreled M91 and even having them in your hands still leaves me with questions. The amount of information out there is daunting.

        • Freeze

          Ed, if you need in info send me an email and I will be glad to give you any insight I have…Freeze

        • Freeze if your guy.

          Marky

  • Brennen Munro

    I had heard of Mexican “Ariska’s” before, but never knew the USA had made any Mosin’s, let alone sent them southward! The things I learn from being plugged in here…
    Sounds like a cool find!

    Munro

    • Mikial

      Same here, I never the US built any Mosins.

      • I believe they are not uncommon.

        Marky

        • Brennen Munro

          I do know that they purchased some very cool Winchester’s that were used in WWI, and we did give some gear to the White Russians that were fighting in the revolution. When it comes to equipment to put holes in people, or blow them up, all governments prostitute themselves in order to sell their version of the next best and newest toy to kill folks. I wish that would change, but I don’t see it happening under our current set of international controllers… What about you?

          Munro

          • These ended up in Spain and Mexico through a series of unforeseen developments.

            The US gov got stuck with a bunch. They ended up being surplused out since the Army has no need.

            And contrary to what Pocahontas and Luis Gutierrez would have people believe, Mexico has always been a basket-case.

            Especially the border region. Just ask Black Jack.

            Marky

    • We made a bunch for the Czar but he dropped out of the war and didn’t pay. Something came up at home last I heard.

      😎

      Marky

      • Brennen Munro

        Oh Snap… Had to go there didn’t you! 🙂

        Munro

        • Like a bull in a china shop, buddy!

          😉

          Marky